a pollster, bill mcintyre, his firm was mitt romney's pollster. he has talked about there's not been one issue where there's been so much change so quickly is on the issue of same-sex marriage. now, we saw the majority of americans support same-sex marriage. how do you -- how do you mix those two things which is a personal opposition that might be founded in religious faith based on what is public opinion that is shifting so dramatically on that issue? how do you merge those two things? >> well, as a pastor, i believe in both the good news that i believe jesus is who he said he was, the son of god. and i also believe in the common good. and we -- we're in a democracy where nobody wins all the time. okay. for instance i happen to believe life begins at conception. but that's not the law. okay? >> and if other people don't believe that, you're tolerant of their views? right? >> and the point is nobody's leaving the country. we have a wide spectrum in america, and we have to work for the common good. and that means sometimes what i mean being co-bell